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03/16/2012

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Katrina

Interesting, I saw the article and wondered about some of the attributions including this one (and the Van Dyck)

AHT

Hi Katrina. Not to mention the Rubens, which doesn't seem autograph to me- just at first glance

Best- David

H Niyazi

Hello David. I thought about you when this was mentioned. I did not know Vodret dabbled in Poussin - she's more well known as an expert on Poussin's nemesis ;)

That being said, I was wondering what you may know about this picture's background. How do they know it was a Poussin - is there an accompnaying inventory? Have any of the Poussin catalogues ever mentioned this work - even as a rejected attribution? Is there an engraving of it? etc

As you may know, I base my own reports on a very simple set of headings that tease out the data - and can be used by anyone: Subject, Documentary, Condition and Consensus. The framework was outlined here, if any of your readers are curious:
http://www.3pipe.net/2011/10/authorship-towards-unifying-framework.html

Is there anything concrete we can put under any of these headings - or is the info too scarce at the moment? Is it on the agenda for a more complete analysis and review?

Kind Regards
H

AHT

Hi H- I don't know anything about Vodret- but I know this isn't by Poussin.

I don't recognise it from any Poussin catalogues (either Blunt or Wright, haven't checked the French cats yet, but do I need to?) I don't know about the provenance, but most of Poussin's Baptisms are identified and catalogued. From my knowledge of the literature on Poussin, this isn't mentioned or reproduced at all. As for SPCCC- Subject (pastiche of one, or a number of NP's Baptisms); Documentary (nothing except the Police files, as far as known); Condition, not known; Consensus? You must be joking! If Vodret and co do approach the Louvre or similar, I would be v surprised if they supported it. No Poussin scholar is going to gamble their reputation on this awful pastiche, I hope!?

Also, I’ve seen a reproduction of the so-called “Rubens” and “Van Dyck”, and the fact that these don’t look like originals either suggests to me that I’m right to reject the attribution to Poussin. I wonder what the hell is going on here. As a colleague pointed out to me, the Flemish works are so obviously pastiches, is there any need for expertise at all?
Regards
David

H Niyazi

Cheers for the response David.

I'm sure you realise it is important to go through some type of process - even in recent years we have the examples of La Bella Principessa and the Michelangelo panels that were easy to fob off with apparently trained eyes being quite convinced of what they saw - when a process was applied, more information was revealed that allowed a more informed case to be presented.

Hence, so far, we have only a very loose description under "Subject" - everything else is a mystery. It would be ineteresting to know where the attribution comes from - perhaps it is simply one that has endured from a time when attributions were made even more recklessly. eg For a time anything that looked Northern was given to Durer - with unscrupulous types even putting his monogram on these panels, such as in the case of the Portrait of a Knight now attributed to Carpaccio in Madrid.

I hope it ends up being thoroughly looked at - so we can at least get more information on it - and perhaps reveal its author.

As for journalists, they like to report names, without really realising the implications of linking authors to pieces. A reporter with a bit more famialarity with the jargon could have said "after Poussin, pending further investigation" and left it at that - the same seems to be panning out for the alleged Van Dyck in this hoard.

If anything turns up in the literature - keep us posted!

Kind Regards
H

AHT

Hi H.

Journalists don't know anything. The Telegraph are saying that this is a Van Dyck!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-news/9134127/Italian-police-recover-37-stolen-masterpieces.html

Benjamin Raucher

Quite an interesting article.

Benjamin Raucher

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