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05/04/2012

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Stephen Conrad, Art Historian

It is a curious thing that the original picture in the Louvre was not included in the large 1994 Paris Grand Palais exhibition, where few if any critics noted its absence. I seem to recall that the picture was at that time said to be in a poor state and needing restoration, that it could not travel up the Champs Elysee to the exhibition. To see the picture, then, one had to go to a satellite show/Exposition-dossier in the Louvre itself called 'Autour de Poussin' where Gilles Chomer and Sylvain Laveissière had gathered some interesting pictures that had struggled, so to speak, to be accepted in the canon, and had usually been rejected by Blunt in 1966. Section 4 of their catalogue dealt with this picture, that had never been doubted really, and usefully reprinted the essential parts of Bourdon's 'Conférence' on the work of 1667. Chomer and Laveissière pointed out again that it had been ordered as a pendant to the London/Cardiff Finding of Moses, and the pair was later owned by Richelieu, but the latter was not acquired by Louis XIV from Richelieu. Their comments on page 82 about the reevaluation of the picture, in the light of previous research, concluded that the execution was 'almost brutal' and the colours extremely strident and Bourdon's comments, noted by Blunt, evidently remained powerful. Its omission from the Grand Palais show denied an opportunity to see it next to its pendant (No. 211), and an opportunity missed to discuss the fame of one and the neglect of the other.

H Niyazi

A wonderful start David, great work!

I think I can safely say I know exactly what preparing such entries is like and they are no mean feat.

Looking forward to subsequent entries...hopefully there's a copy of Et in Arcadia Ego in the PCF - I'm keen to know the history of its thematic interpretation!

Kind Regards
H

David Packwood

H- Thanks. I don't think there is a copy of "Et in Arcadia Ego" on the PCF site, but they've still got a lot of ground to cover.

Stephen- Many thanks for your comments. It's interesting how some pictures fare compared to others. There obviously has been a question mark hovering over the "Blind Men", especially with the Louvre curators.

I have consulted "Autour de Poussin" but it's been a long time. I agree: an opportunity was missed by not including it in the 1994 exhibition.

Best- David

Tony Green

1.Apropos studio work, check on Jean Dughet's eyesight in 1660s.
2. If Nicolas Poussin could consider copying Cassiano dal Pozzo's Sacraments himself, studio copies, even autograph copies cannot be ruled out. Suppose possibly studio assistanc with finishing by Poussin?
In my mind it's an open question.
In the 1994 Conference, it was hastily supposed that because Poussin had a low opinion of copyists, that he totally disapproved of copies.
At the time, the issue of the 2 versions of the Madonna of the Steps had recently been an issue -- & also two versions of a Flight into Egypt. It ws evidently a matter for monetary anguish for collectors & pride for Museum curators that was likely to be decisive.

David Packwood

Many thanks Tony.

I am planning to do a series of mini essays on connoisseurship topics from time to time- the issue of copying, inc autograph copies obviously needs to be tackled.

Cheers- David

Stephen Conrad

Copies, and versions, are likely to remain problematic in Poussin studies in my opinion. An example is when Blunt - in the Literature of Art in the Burlington) and Mahon, both rejected Doris Wild's assertion, made in her somewhat wayward CR, that four small pictures, 2 in Munich (Annunciation and Nativity) and the Prado (Noli Me Tangere), and a lost Deposition, later engraved by Pietro del Po were echt. I recall at a time when the RA 1995 show was closed to the public to allow a group of scholars and restorers the chance to see Mrs Johnson's version of the 1657 Flight into Egypt to be examined next to the other late figure paintings in the room (a debate that has not truly been settled by the expensive legal battle that led to the Lyons Museum acquiring the larger more impressive Pardo picture and its subsequent publication, fascinating though the huge catalogue is), that Mahon expressed the opinion that the French were "crackers" to maintain the four were right. Yet, Mahon had no doubt the Wemyss (earlier) version of the Philadelphia Baptism was by the artist. Blunt's long held view was that Poussin never repeated himself exactly, but we now know that in the early period this all but untrue because he made pictures with the same basic compositions, just differently painted, and it seems plausible that the artist may have made versions of his later works for the requirements of different patrons. This, after all, was a common practice among artists in France and Italy in the 17th century. No copies may certainly be said to be made in Rome of the first set of Sacraments in the Boccapaduli Palace until Reynolds' arranged the purchase of the set for the Duke of Rutland, when André de Muynck copied them as substitutes to aid the export of the originals, and Blunt 1966 lists fewer copies of the first series than apparently of the second. There is also the enormous problem of the huge number of missing smallish pure landscapes that were in Roman collections, many of which have been, perhaps somewhat arbitrarily, given to Gaspard Dughet, and to my mind, the 1650s is the time when Dughet comes extremely close in handling to Poussin himself; whilst in no way wishing to suggest that Dughet was incapable of originality, or was merely a 'copier' there is a sense that Poussin's pure landscape work has got muddled up with many works haphazardly attributed to Dughet. Did Gaspard ever copy a pure landscape by Nicolas? As Tony Green says above, to my mind this is an open question. Poussin's view of copyists was, I suspect, sometimes inconsistent, and whilst he may not have had a 'studio' as we think of it, it is hard to believe that copies were not occasionally made of his work with his knowledge and consent, just as he himself surely made variants of his own work to please his clients when necessary.

David Packwood

Excellent points, which I'm processing for my projected piece on copies.

Funny you mention the Prado Noli Me Tangere- somebody just asked me about it on AHT.

Pasquino

I have a query. What is the primary evidence regarding the size of Poussin's studio or of Poussin not really having one? I'm probably not in the league with others who are commenting, it just makes little sense to me that Poussin could have in any respects produced the output he did in the methodical way that he did without a decent sized studio. I gather Christopher Wrights catalog takes a rather liberal approach attributing Poussin paintings, but even by more conservative estimates one has only to factor in the life of the man by the number of pictures produced to surely have to assume a modestly sized studio?

David Packwood

It's a very good question, and one that I've wrestled with occasionally.

There is no "primary evidence". no documents, no mention in the letters about the size of Poussin's studio.

A drawing does exist which purports to be a representation, albeit highly theoretical of Poussin's workshop.

I think that the studio would have been modest, not overlarge, perhaps the equivalent of a large study, or bedroom on the second floor. It seems tome that Poussin's operation was highly domesticated, and that might have determined the kind of art he put out.

Best- David.

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